Comments on: 7 Broken Men: Alexander Dowie https://mikefrost.net/7-broken-men-alexander-dowie/ AUTHOR | SPEAKER | MISSIOLOGIST | AGITATOR Sat, 22 Feb 2025 05:01:27 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.8.1 By: Kabelo https://mikefrost.net/7-broken-men-alexander-dowie/#comment-71821 Sat, 22 Feb 2025 05:01:27 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=26330#comment-71821 The ZCC and similar organizations in Southern Africa have spawned erkingly while successful. It is unfortunately movements born out of error and terrible doctrinal distortion. Their error continues to this day. Sometimes I think it is justified to speak against error when we see it because it can metastasize to a level not anticipated.

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By: Nida Mukhtar https://mikefrost.net/7-broken-men-alexander-dowie/#comment-13398 Tue, 21 Jan 2020 00:16:03 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=26330#comment-13398 Mirza Ghulam Ahmad said; The gist of my mubahala was that Islam is the true faith and the Christian doctrine is false; and I am the Messiah who is from God, and whose coming in the latter days was promised in the scriptures of the Prophets. I also wrote that Dr. Dowie was false in his claim of Prophethood, as well as in his doctrine of Trinity, and that if he accepted the challenge of mubahala he would die within my lifetime in great pain and misery. Even if he did not accept the challenge, he would still not be able to escape Divine Punishment.

was found to be an embezzler and drinker, although he had prohibited the use of liquor in his teachings. In a state of great despair he was driven out of Zion—the city which he had himself established at a cost of millions of rupees. He was also deprived of seventy million rupees which he possessed in cash. His wife and son turned against him and his father even announced that he was a misbegotten son, and it was established before the people that his birth was illegitimate. As for his claim that he miraculously cured the sick, all such bragging and boasting turned out to be false, and he suffered all sorts of humiliation. He was finally afflicted with paralysis and had to be carried about by men like a wooden plank. Soon afterwards he went mad due to his intense grief and sorrow. His claim that he had a long life ahead of him and that he was getting younger by the day, while others were getting old, turned out to be another lie. Finally, in the first week of March 1907, he died in a state of great distress, pain and sorrow. Can there be a greater miracle?

Links for further reading;
https://trueprophecies.wordpress.com/2011/04/07/dowies-prayer-duel-with-ahmad-as/amp/

https://www.reviewofreligions.org/7840/the-great-victory/amp/

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By: Joshua https://mikefrost.net/7-broken-men-alexander-dowie/#comment-4734 Wed, 17 Jan 2018 14:50:17 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=26330#comment-4734 In reply to Portland Reed.

Portland,

It’s subtle, but this is exactly why I’d like to discuss with Mr. Frost on a non-public forum: I did not challenge him. Unfortunately, with threads of this nature, the tone of comments and responses is often read with a “challenging” voice, of which I do not have, nor intend to have.

I suppose since I’ve explained that, I can share after all.

I’ve read the article twice. From my perception, the way the information in this article presents him, Mr. Dowry sounds like a criminal who was well aware that he was scamming people with false signs and wonders in order to make a buck. I don’t think that’s on the part of Mr. Frost’s authorship – he said he’s researched, and I’m trusting that Mr. Frost has no personal vendetta against Mr. Dowry to present him in a negative light in this article. My concern is this: if (and I mean IF, because I don’t know) Dowry knew what he was doing was wrong, yet continued in it, even though a supposed movement of God came from this man’s life and work, I have a hard time believing that this man was actually a Spirit-filled, born again follower of Jesus Christ. This is all based on my assumption that Mr. Dowry knew what he was doing was wrong, so please don’t crucify me if I’m off on this. I’d like to have a discussion, not be a target for arrows to be shot at. It says a great deal about the Lord to use a criminal’s work for His glory. Since mankind’s inception, He’s used our worst for His highest, which is a testament to who He is in all of His remarkable splendor, and I love Him for that. It is hard for me, however, as a man who knows he is broken, to find comfort in God using a criminal (a judgment of the man based only on my presumption based on my limited knowledge of him). I can find comfort from the life of other men mentioned in this series, like David Brainerd, who was aware of his frailties, and Lonnie Frisbee, who knew that his struggle with homosexuality is a sin, yet despite of those things, God graciously used their lives for His glory. That gives me hope, that God will glorify himself through my life as He gives grace for me to be faithful to Him, since I’m also riddled with sin and frailties. Dowry, on the other hand, glory to God for using what He did from him, might be in hell today… This is ALL based on my presumption that he was well aware of his deception ONLY based on what I’m reading here, but the thought that Dowry may be there selfishly doesn’t comfort me in my life. I want to be used by God, but I also, by His grace, want to make it to the end and receive the reward promised for enduring faith in His risen Son, Jesus.

It’s pretty sensitive stuff, and I don’t want anything to get heated, nor am I interested in being criticized for expressing my thoughts, but alas, I can’t control that.

Is what I was trying to say made clear? I can clarify if I didn’t express clearly enough.

Thanks.
Joshua

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By: Portland Reed https://mikefrost.net/7-broken-men-alexander-dowie/#comment-4723 Tue, 16 Jan 2018 17:16:36 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=26330#comment-4723 In reply to Joshua.

It would be helpful if you would provide your comments publicly since you challenged Mr. Frost publicly. I would like to know! 🙂

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By: Joshua https://mikefrost.net/7-broken-men-alexander-dowie/#comment-4373 Wed, 27 Dec 2017 20:44:01 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=26330#comment-4373 Mr. Frost, is there another way to contact you besides the comment section, Facebook and Twitter?

I’d like to express some thoughts about this article with you, but not publicly.

Great series. I’ve enjoyed it.

Thanks.

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By: Mike Frost https://mikefrost.net/7-broken-men-alexander-dowie/#comment-288 Thu, 17 Nov 2016 03:57:11 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=26330#comment-288 In reply to Barry Chant.

Well, I didn’t make it all up, Barry. Of course, I researched it. But I’ll defer to you as a charismatic scholar. Which parts did I get wrong?

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By: Barry Chant https://mikefrost.net/7-broken-men-alexander-dowie/#comment-287 Thu, 17 Nov 2016 00:37:34 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=26330#comment-287 Oh dear, Mike, this is so disappointing. A pity you didn’t actually research your facts. Take a look at my book The Spirit of Pentecost for a very different, carefully researched portrayal of Dowie.

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