Comments on: Boycott porn! It’s a sweatshop. https://mikefrost.net/boycott-porn-its-a-sweatshop/ AUTHOR | SPEAKER | MISSIOLOGIST | AGITATOR Thu, 25 Feb 2021 23:38:36 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.8.1 By: Rishabh https://mikefrost.net/boycott-porn-its-a-sweatshop/#comment-17540 Fri, 23 Oct 2020 07:25:18 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=29031#comment-17540 In reply to Terry.

You should read the book ‘The Truth Behind the Fantasy of Porn’ written by Former Pornstar ‘Shelly Lubben’.
You will cry your eyes out after reading about the realities of the Porn Industry.

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By: Richard https://mikefrost.net/boycott-porn-its-a-sweatshop/#comment-12438 Sun, 29 Sep 2019 11:26:56 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=29031#comment-12438 In reply to Brent.

Why not treat it as an industry, with proper labour laws? Many sex workers do, or at least try to, and they ask the rest of us to treat them as workers, not (im)moral agents.

Again, I think your extension of Mike’s argument is really about being unsettled about the morals of pornography. I hear you about exploitation but why is one kind of exploitation easier to live with, than a sexual one?

Imagine the porn industry tidying it’s act up and actors being treated as human beings rather than fodder for humiliation. Imagine there being ‘ethical’ pornography where all of the elements were right. Would it be ok for pornography to be made?

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By: Brent https://mikefrost.net/boycott-porn-its-a-sweatshop/#comment-12396 Fri, 13 Sep 2019 21:56:24 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=29031#comment-12396 In reply to Brent.

I should clarify that I don’t have a problem with the post but with the comment implying that the pornography industry is just another business.

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By: Brent https://mikefrost.net/boycott-porn-its-a-sweatshop/#comment-12395 Fri, 13 Sep 2019 19:19:55 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=29031#comment-12395 In reply to Richard.

Respectfully, I don’t see any cloaking going on. The values reflected in the post are all rooted in some kind of moral argument as are objections to child labor, underpayment and long hours, and verbal humiliation in the workplace. The real problem is comparing legitimate businesses that involve exploitative practices that should be changed with the sex industry, an inherently exploitative business that will not become less so no matter the working conditions.

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By: Richard https://mikefrost.net/boycott-porn-its-a-sweatshop/#comment-12368 Tue, 10 Sep 2019 05:05:06 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=29031#comment-12368 I’m not so sure about these arguments. Yes, porn actors get ripped off, treated badly, humiliated, get physically hurt, and there are sections of the industry that involve trafficking. All good reasons to say this is a bad industry.

But these arguments can also apply to many other industries. In different parts of the world there is child labour in the recyclables industry (rubbish dump fossicking), underpayment and long hours in electronic factories, verbal humiliation in the Australian building industry, physical and mental hurt at FIFO mine site areas

But we would not necessarily call for these industries to close for these reasons. Rather, we would ask for reform.

But not for the porn industry.

Your arguments are questioning how sex, and the right use and care of our sexual and sexualised bodies, whether on a film set, watching in front of a screen, or in the privacy of the bedroom (so to speak), should be conducted.

This is a moral argument being cloaked in issues to do with labour and psychology. Maybe they are linked, maybe not, but either way, it’s morality that’s underlying the arguments here and the writer should say so, I think. Otherwise, it borders on sleight of hand.

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By: Michael Frost https://mikefrost.net/boycott-porn-its-a-sweatshop/#comment-12338 Wed, 04 Sep 2019 00:34:42 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=29031#comment-12338 In reply to Michael Frost.

PS. I love Tampa Underground!

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By: Michael Frost https://mikefrost.net/boycott-porn-its-a-sweatshop/#comment-12337 Wed, 04 Sep 2019 00:33:57 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=29031#comment-12337 In reply to Brent Woody.

I was aware of the link with human trafficking, but decided to limit my comments to what I said, given that I try to keep posts to around 1000 words. But thank you for raising that other, insidious dimension to the pornography industry. And thank you for the work you’re doing in that area, and your challenge for the church to stand against injustice.

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By: Brent Woody https://mikefrost.net/boycott-porn-its-a-sweatshop/#comment-12330 Tue, 03 Sep 2019 14:07:42 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=29031#comment-12330 Mike, while I totally agree with your sentiments about the harm to individuals exploited by the porn industry, porn’s direct link to human sex and labor trafficking (including the commercial sexual exploitation of children) and the harm to individuals who consume porn both belong in any discussion of Christ-followers’ (or anyone’s for that matter) response. As an attorney and leader of a Tampa, Florida Underground microchurch (Justice Restoration Center) that provides free legal services to hundreds of human trafficking victims, we see this theme running throughout our clients’ stories. Most adult pornography involves force, fraud, or coercion and all “child porn” involves images of child rape/sexual abuse; all forms of it fuel the demand for the puchase of women, men, and children for sex. All of these features of online pornography are inextricably linked and devastating for adults and children, whether consumers or victims. it’s time the Church did more than boycott – She must take a bold stand against all exploitation and injustice. This is, indeed, a question of morality, not simply men watching bad stuff on the internet but in all aspects of the deep harms resulting from pornography.

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By: Terry https://mikefrost.net/boycott-porn-its-a-sweatshop/#comment-12326 Tue, 03 Sep 2019 06:27:35 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=29031#comment-12326 Well said, Mike. The real issue, I agree, is the terrible toll the porn industry takes on its workers. I would really like, though, to hear and see more former porn actors, male and female, blowing the lid on what really happens. That might get more attention.

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By: Sam https://mikefrost.net/boycott-porn-its-a-sweatshop/#comment-12324 Tue, 03 Sep 2019 02:13:01 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=29031#comment-12324 This is a very helpful angle to approach this issue from. We need more personal stories like the ones mentioned above. Because then it really becomes a question about ignorance: are we okay with remaining willfully ignorant about the larger effects on individuals who are suffering because of this industry? However, one major issue is that porn thrives on creating a hyperreal fantasy that asks you to block out the real world and any effects the act of using porn might have on anyone other than you, really. The lure to escape real world issues and environments is what fuels people to watch porn.

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