Comments on: Can you really condemn racism when your church is one color? https://mikefrost.net/can-really-condemn-racism-church-one-color/ AUTHOR | SPEAKER | MISSIOLOGIST | AGITATOR Thu, 05 Oct 2017 03:54:34 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.4 By: Arun Skariah https://mikefrost.net/can-really-condemn-racism-church-one-color/#comment-2376 Wed, 30 Aug 2017 00:45:55 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=27158#comment-2376 “Stop referring to “multi-ethnic” or “multicultural” ministry – All ministry should be diverse, inclusive and integrated.”

Thanks for the article Mike. I strongly agree with this point. Multi-ethnicity should be so in-grained in what we all do that we shouldn’t need to point it out like the flavour of the month. McDonald’s don’t market themselves as a multi-ethnic restaurant, yet we can clearly see a mix of all races, demographics and people present in their customer-base (perhaps a lack of healthy people though).

Perhaps children do it best, they just don’t see race/colour as a thing. Let’s treat the person for who they are here and now as opposed to the colour of their skin or where they or their parents were born/brought up.

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By: Russell https://mikefrost.net/can-really-condemn-racism-church-one-color/#comment-2280 Sun, 20 Aug 2017 09:36:00 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=27158#comment-2280 Having been to a few different churches over my lifetime I’m wondering whether we’re gtting this wrong. Like attracts like. Some churches have their services in other languages when a large proportion of the surrounding people are from one ethnecity. One time after I’d moved I went to a quite nice little church. The next time I went, well… I’d misread the timesheet. The same church had several different services during the morning. One was in English and another in one of the Islander dialects. (Can’t remember which, now. It was close enough to understand it, but kinda difficult to follow, if you get my drift). Guess which one I walked into. 😛

They were perfectly friendly, as I was to them. There was nothing ‘racist’ about it, it was just that they’d gathered to celebrate in their way and language and we did in ours. Apart from having a hard time understanding what was being said, I didn’t have a problem with it. Nevertheless, I didn’t go back to that service I went to the one I could understand what was being said, because it was easier to hear the message when not having to concentrate so hard on the words. (Think of it as being able to see the forest instead of a few trees)

Pretty much every – including that – church I went to had services that were attended by many ethnecities, but like does attract like and so you do get situations where people are more comfortable among their own. Possibly, like with me in that church, because it’s easier to concentrate on the message which is the main reason we go.

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By: Russell https://mikefrost.net/can-really-condemn-racism-church-one-color/#comment-2279 Sun, 20 Aug 2017 09:18:16 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=27158#comment-2279 In reply to Greg Memberto.

This. Very much this. Is Australia perfect? I doubt any decent person would say it is, but that isn’t helped when we’re consistently pounded by the ‘White Australians are Racist’ balltwaddle.

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By: Michael Frost https://mikefrost.net/can-really-condemn-racism-church-one-color/#comment-2253 Thu, 17 Aug 2017 13:08:41 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=27158#comment-2253 In reply to Waqa.

I honestly have no idea what you’re talking about. Are you confusing me with someone? I don’t think we’ve ever met. Where did I supposedly make this joke? I wouldn’t “make fun” of someone for worshipping God, so it might have been a gag about Fiji winning the Rugby 7s because I was jealous that Australia didn’t win. But I still have no clue what you’re referring to.

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By: Waqa https://mikefrost.net/can-really-condemn-racism-church-one-color/#comment-2251 Thu, 17 Aug 2017 09:06:20 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=27158#comment-2251 In reply to Michael Frost.

I remember looking at your comments when Fiji won a gold medal in the Olympics, in Rugby 7s. You were making fun of us because we worshiped God with a song after the final. Goes a long way to show how ready you are to try to understand others, our traditions and our ways.

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By: Michael Frost https://mikefrost.net/can-really-condemn-racism-church-one-color/#comment-2249 Thu, 17 Aug 2017 05:59:04 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=27158#comment-2249 In reply to Greg Memberto.

Actually I was replying to Sher’s comment.

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By: Michael Frost https://mikefrost.net/can-really-condemn-racism-church-one-color/#comment-2248 Thu, 17 Aug 2017 05:58:01 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=27158#comment-2248 In reply to Roy Hobbs.

I’m not sure what objection you’re making. It is obviously more difficult to call our society to embrace diversity, inclusion and integration if our churches haven’t done so themselves. What do you find objectionable about stating that? As for Morling College, if you think it’s monocultural you haven’t been on campus in a long while (ever?). As for Greg’s comment about stopping outrage and offering solutions, that’s exactly what I was doing in my blog. I think it’s you who is confecting outrage here.

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By: Roy Hobbs https://mikefrost.net/can-really-condemn-racism-church-one-color/#comment-2247 Thu, 17 Aug 2017 03:28:21 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=27158#comment-2247 could not agree more bro

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By: Greg Memberto https://mikefrost.net/can-really-condemn-racism-church-one-color/#comment-2244 Wed, 16 Aug 2017 23:02:17 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=27158#comment-2244 In reply to Roy Hobbs.

Roy Hobbs, I think there are some people we know, and mainly respect, who feel a need to be outraged over the current crisis. Racism, sexism, age discrimination are all problems and have been problems since before the New Testament times. Jesus addressed it, Peter got caught up in it, deacons came out of it, Paul addressed it, it is a problem today. We need to stop with the outrage and be the solution. I am not sure the church can do it systematically. It has to be very organic and each person has to take it upon themselves to be Jesus to their neighbor.

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By: Roy Hobbs https://mikefrost.net/can-really-condemn-racism-church-one-color/#comment-2242 Wed, 16 Aug 2017 22:45:44 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=27158#comment-2242 Honest Q? Why is it difficult to condemn racism if your church is all one color? Explain your logic? It’s a nice bumper sticker, or meme, but why is it more difficult for a Brown Pastor in a latino congregation to speak against racism than a Black Pastor in a mixed congregation? Or were you only speaking of all white communities of faith? It must be terribly difficult for you to speak out against racist since Morling College is so monoculture. And yet you are able? We have/had multiple Spanish speaking congregations sharing our vision and our campus along with Portuguese, Burmese, Indonesian. My congregation is mixed and has always reflected the context in which we lived and had relationships well beyond the 20% diversity. However a few years ago We have largely Filipino, Indonesian, Black, White, MIXED UP races based on what is happening in the area. A church cannot say we will be 20% Black or 20% Gay, Male, Female, Young, Old, it has to reflect its community and be intentional about it. The fact is that many ethnic churches wisely or unwisely seek homogeneity in a diverse culture. Jesus’ personal oikos had only one non Galilean, did that make it difficult for Him to speak out against racism? I am Native Indian as well as other groups personally and according to my daughter’s heritage test which can be trusted with a “50% confidence!” an infinitesimal amount of Sub Saharan African. Relationships over Quotas.

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