The process in Matthew 18 is very clearly directed at sins that are not already known to the church. That’s why you go first alone, then take a witness or two and finally tell the church. None of which makes any sense if the church already knows. If one is dealing with public preaching it’s irrelevant. One isn’t exposing anything hidden. And in any case expressing a mistaken idea isn’t a sin. It’s just an error.

Adam-that says it all.

I’m not arrogant-I’m just trying to be obedient. I don’t know what you mean about the not having friends part-no one says that. That’s down to the individual I guess if they can handle it without wanting to be with that person romantically.
Look, it’s not easy I’m sure for those trying to deal with this.
But the issue at hand is Christian teachers saying they heard from God through prayer that God looks at homosexual marriage the same as heterosexual-it just is blasphemy to say you heard such a thing. You’re right-I have to say that it is God saying it-it’s all over the Bible-
just like other sins being addressed-not just that one. And it IS very clear for sure, just like it is for others.

As I said before, EVERYONE deserves respect and for people to be treated bad by parents or anyone else is just wrong-that is not Christian either. I don’t think anyone should be throwing their children out of their home-or berating them to the point of suicide. I think most Christians would agree with that. But we can’t condone sin. We can’t say it’s ok because people’s feelings might be hurt.
God comes first.
By the way, Mathew 19:12 isn’t referring to sexual orientation other than w/regards to the one reference about one having been deformed (for lack of a better word) at birth and therefore not able to complete his duties (so to say) in marriage but of course there were those in that time who were castrated and then the other reference meaning those who can lead a chaste life not because you sin if you decide to marry but those who are born with an inclination to be able to lead a chaste life and can be more centered in devoting ones life to Christ without the responsibilities of marriage. To say that this was some kind of clue to the fact that people are born certain ways regarding homosexuality is twisting this verse. But I could on and on and on with everyone here who says different and all I can do is just respond that you have to answer to God someday just like we all have to over whatever in our life. We all know deep down what’s right and what’s wrong. All of us know in our soul when something’s wrong.

““Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. For I have come to ‘set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law’; and ‘a man’s enemies will be those of his own household.’ He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for My sake will find it.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭10:34-39‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

Holly, let me guess: You’re heterosexual and married or in a relationship with a man…maybe you have kids.

If so, aren’t you being terribly arrogant to say that you can have that but others can’t? Who are you to decide that gay people need to live lonely lives….who can’t even have a friend of the same sex because, heaven forbid, they might fall in love with them?

Now I know you’ll pull the old , ” Well, I’m not saying it–God is!”

Really?

The God who said it is not good for the man to be alone is the same God who says, through Jesus, “Some were made this way and some were born this way”…. (Matt. 19:12)

Why don’t we quit pretending that we speak for God–or even that the Bible is clear on everything it teaches? Let’s be more careful that our theology is producing good fruit. I can’t see where any belief that urges parents to throw out their kids or that causes people to commit suicide can possibly be bearing anything other than rotten fruit.

Homosexuality isn’t the only sin there are other sins but since this is the topic here being discussed-Well church is for everyone-it’s for the sick not the well. You’re at church to get help for any kind of sin not just this one, not to have it smiled upon so that no one will be offended.
I think everybody should be treated with love and respect at church no matter what their sexual orientation. But the start of this topic was about error in teaching. And it is wrong of this couple to teach this. Yes, they need a public call out on it-otherwise it looks like the rest of the Christian world condones it and unfortunately there are a serious amount of people who are condoning it now and it’s just wrong just like condoning any other sin.

Does the pushing some people out of God’s Grace, shaming especially the most historically vulnerable, BRING people to faith, into a relationship with the Loving God? Does shaming those who speak up for the vulnerable bring people to the Loving and Forgiving God?
One more question to you all who point fingers to those whose ‘sin’ ( your word) is public, – I want to ask- where is your contrition for shaming others? Where is your compassion? Jesus did say ‘those who are WITHOUT sin, cast the first stone.’ I believe Jesus did not say you may shame people if your sin is not worse than others’sin.

Actually S. Tannous what Ben E. Calvert said is VERY biblical. I’ve been reading it for many, many years. It never says anything different then what he just said it does. Please state facts, not falsehoods about what the Bible does or does not say. If you don’t agree with it, then say so-though your wrong to disagree with it- but don’t say something isn’t there when it is.

Totally agree with you Ben E. Calvert!