Comments on: Your fixed idea of church is turning you into a marketer, not a missionary

By: Mission vs maintenance – the Way?

Mission vs maintenance – the Way? — Fri, 06 Apr 2018 08:11:44 +0000

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By: Marty Schoenleber Jr.

Marty Schoenleber Jr. — Wed, 28 Mar 2018 18:09:20 +0000

Thanks for this article, Michael. Always good to revisit “the classics.” I included a link to it over at my own blog today. I hope you get a lot of new readers. Thanks for the link to the Tampa Underground as well.

By: David Kennedy

David Kennedy — Fri, 23 Mar 2018 21:28:33 +0000

Darryl Dash wrote, “You can’t have good missiology without the church. The church is essential for mission. It is the best hermeneutic of the gospel.”

I don’t see here, Mike, where you are advocating for a Missiology that is divorced from the local church. Can you give your readers a picture, perhaps an illustration that drives home this idea of Christology>Missiology>Ecclesiology?

By: Steve

Steve — Thu, 22 Mar 2018 23:49:26 +0000

In reply to Steve. Very insightful!

By: Steve

Steve — Thu, 22 Mar 2018 23:48:24 +0000

In reply to Jeremy Weart. Glad to see this is the stream you swim in, Jeremy! My grandmother and mom really love you and appreciate your love for Jesus and your communities.

By: Jeremy Weart

Jeremy Weart — Thu, 22 Mar 2018 16:30:50 +0000

Really love this article! I am pastoring a small Southern Baptist Church in the Tampa, FL area. It almost closed its doors 2 years ago and they brought me in to help bring them back from, “the brink.” I am trying to help them see a lot of what you have taught me. BELLS is a big part of what we push and we also have a glorious homeless outreach where we go to them and offer hygiene and food bags. Many relationships have blossomed from this, “pushing back the darkness.” We have a number of discipleship groups as well throughout the church. However, we are pretty much doing the typical church stuff. So I am not sure what steps I could take to get us thinking more along the lines of CME. This church was started in 1950 and has two original members, both in their 90s. It is a very traditional Baptist church that has put the emphasis on Ecclesiology first since its inception. I am praying for ways to harness and understand the Gospel, then pray about our mission for Tampa, and then allow for the church to take a different shape. Thanks in advance for your advice.

By: Andrew Nelson

Andrew Nelson — Thu, 22 Mar 2018 14:32:07 +0000

Thank you for again raising this important issue. In “Seven Habits..” Stephen Covey stresses the importance of a character ethic approach verse the personality ethic approach as a foundation for success. He suggests being honest as a core value is a more solid foundation than simply knowing how to be honest in certain situations. I wonder if it could also be said in light of this discussion that if we allow the core value of being new in Christ and alive on mission with Him to drive the task of Christian community formation that we would end up with greater missional success. I think it has been said before that if we make disciples we will form a church. The struggle of so many is to free our minds from what that church will look like. Will it be mission formed? Or will it be a replication of another model? Post Christian culture has once again highlighted the need for new models driven by solid “gospel- value formed” disciples makers.

By: Michael Frost

Michael Frost — Thu, 22 Mar 2018 10:40:06 +0000

In reply to Erica Butler.

I always direct people to check out Tampa Underground. They’re incredible. https://www.undergroundnetwork.org/

By: Missiology Before Ecclesiology? Not so Fast! - DashHouse

Missiology Before Ecclesiology? Not so Fast! - DashHouse — Thu, 22 Mar 2018 10:18:29 +0000

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By: Ron

Ron — Thu, 22 Mar 2018 09:00:54 +0000

One of the top reasons church plants fail, as learned from post mortem studies of failed churches, is a mismatch of planter with church field. I think this relates to your basic idea that a planter makes up.his mind what type of church he is going to plant whether it fits the community or not. If a planter is trying to model Christ and His Gospel, and if he is in touch with the mission of God, then he will adjust the style of plant to be in sync with the gospel of Christ and the mission of God, which then leads the planter to the community God wants him to plant, and determines the type of plant fitting that context.