Comments on: I got arrested recently https://mikefrost.net/i-got-arrested-recently/ AUTHOR | SPEAKER | MISSIOLOGIST | AGITATOR Fri, 11 Sep 2020 18:19:03 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.4 By: Robert Russo https://mikefrost.net/i-got-arrested-recently/#comment-16831 Fri, 11 Sep 2020 18:19:03 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=26018#comment-16831 In reply to Phil Wu.

Phil Wu,
I am a supporter of Mike Frost’s writings and missiological impact in the Church. That said, I found this post of his and your response intriguing. They both present an immanent reality of the matter.
I come from a family who does similar protesting in America but they do so without nearly as much “decency” as Frost’s. My question to my family, similar to your own, is “What difference did your protest make?” “Or are you even trying to create change or just push and alternative agenda?” To which they don’t have much of an answer.

You said, “Mike, your protest is meaningless because you don’t have a solution. Most really come for purely economic reasons. I suggest you go to overseas countries to help improve conditions there so that people are less inclined to pay for a chance with pregnant women in a boat.”
I found this harsh, but incarnationally true. Let us wisely put our best efforts into a solution. Here’s what I mean: Instead of holding vulgar signs and yelling at people at abortion clinics (or in Mike’s case–praying in an arbitrary work setting), I have decided to enter into the foster system (in Mike’s case, move to Indonesia so to speak) to help raise the children of these broken families who are usually aborting their children and neglecting the ones they don’t abort. We also financially support non-profit organizations who have a “solutional” hand in deterring abortions. One organization gives free sonograms and pregnancy care to women who are with child. Another organization helps rehabilitate drug and alcohol addicts back into society with a higher success rate than clinical organizations.
Let our lives be a living protest and a living solution. 1 Peter 2:5

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By: Mike Frost https://mikefrost.net/i-got-arrested-recently/#comment-15 Sat, 17 Sep 2016 11:28:18 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=26018#comment-15 In reply to Phil Wu.

No, it just sounds mean.

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By: Phil Wu https://mikefrost.net/i-got-arrested-recently/#comment-14 Sat, 17 Sep 2016 03:50:01 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=26018#comment-14 In reply to Mike Frost.

I never said you shouldn’t speak up. Do speak up, but please represent the facts accurately without twisting.
A government has to do what it has to do.
Fact is, our government is wedged between rock and a hard place. If it is easy to return those in detention centres back to their countries, then detention centres will cease to exist, because ‘refugees’ would go home and other ‘refugees’ will not be encouraged to come.
Close down detention centres and free all will simply open the flood gate for never-ending streams of ‘refugees’. You don’t have a solution. You merely attempt to open a flood gate without realising.
Being good-hearted but not recognising reality of the situation just end up being foolish and is harmful overall. Test your own good heart by opening your home to all poor homeless in Australia, but don’t expect others to do the same.
It’s not about developing a whole new immigration policy. Immigration policy needs evolving to deal with new challenges. Sounds mean but true.

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By: Mike Frost https://mikefrost.net/i-got-arrested-recently/#comment-12 Fri, 16 Sep 2016 23:39:19 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=26018#comment-12 Phil Wu, I’m never convinced by the argument that I have to develop a whole new immigration policy for our nation in order for me to be able to criticize the current one. People routinely criticize our taxation system without being pressured to create a whole new financial system for our country. Our treatment of refugees on Manus and Nauru is reprehensible and any view that we shouldn’t be speaking up for these poor souls is frankly heartless.

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By: Gabe deGarmeaux https://mikefrost.net/i-got-arrested-recently/#comment-11 Fri, 16 Sep 2016 12:41:25 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=26018#comment-11 Thank you for your social media posts and follow-up on this experience in particular. It is certainly the fruit of what you teach quite eloquently. You have caused me to consider, pray, and act with greater intention regarding the burdens God is impressing on me. So again, thank you, Dr. Frost.

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By: Phil Wu https://mikefrost.net/i-got-arrested-recently/#comment-10 Fri, 16 Sep 2016 03:13:02 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=26018#comment-10 Mike Frost,

Well, I’m not impressed with your arguments.
1. You said: “It also includes making an example of those poor souls who do manage to slip through…”
False!! It is not easy to return those “refugees” to where they came from. That enables you to give a false impression that they are made an example of.
2. You said: “…are imprisoned in detention centres on remote islands belonging to other countries…”
I have no problem with that. Due to legal considerations and practical reasons, they really need to be located outside Australian jurisdiction.
3. You said: “No future, no plans, no sense of destiny.”
Have destitute homeless people been coming to your home? Would you given them all a future, some plans and a sense of future? Hypocrisy much?
4. You said: “It’s my government’s way of saying to refugees, “Let that be a lesson to you!””
False!! It is not easy to return those “refugees” to where they came from. So you give a false impression that they are being “taught a lesson”.
5. You said: “Except this lesson or warning is also being meted out to children…”
False!! Humans can be manipulative. They will bring pregnant women and young kids if they can get in that way. If they succeed in getting in that way, they will keep coming in that manner.
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Mike, your protest is meaningless because you don’t have a solution. Most really come for purely economic reasons. I suggest you go to overseas countries to help improve conditions there so that people are less inclined to pay for a chance with pregnant women in a boat.

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By: Linda McLachlan https://mikefrost.net/i-got-arrested-recently/#comment-9 Fri, 16 Sep 2016 02:55:52 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=26018#comment-9 Thank you.

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By: Stephan Winter https://mikefrost.net/i-got-arrested-recently/#comment-8 Fri, 16 Sep 2016 00:44:57 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=26018#comment-8 Fabulous stuff. A great witness and I pray that other Baptist catch the fever or re-examine their understanding of the treatment and housing of asylum seekers. Praise God for your commitment.

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By: Naomi Swindon https://mikefrost.net/i-got-arrested-recently/#comment-5 Thu, 15 Sep 2016 21:21:41 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=26018#comment-5 My favorite thing is that you reckon it wasn’t much.. civil disobedience is not a small thing, but I know what you mean.

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By: Andrew Nightingale https://mikefrost.net/i-got-arrested-recently/#comment-4 Thu, 15 Sep 2016 13:02:03 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=26018#comment-4 Well done Dr Frost.
We continue to pray, speak out, write letters, sign petitions, and sit in protest at this inhuman behaviour.

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