Comments on: If You Don’t Like Deconstruction, Don’t Teach People to “Fall in Love with Jesus” in the First Place https://mikefrost.net/if-you-dont-like-deconstruction-dont-teach-people-to-fall-in-love-with-jesus-in-the-first-place/ AUTHOR | SPEAKER | MISSIOLOGIST | AGITATOR Thu, 15 Dec 2022 15:40:17 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.8.1 By: Barbara https://mikefrost.net/if-you-dont-like-deconstruction-dont-teach-people-to-fall-in-love-with-jesus-in-the-first-place/#comment-44025 Thu, 15 Dec 2022 15:40:17 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=32037#comment-44025 I appreciate your saying “what if instead…” A shallow faith needs to be replaced with a deeper faith, not simply thrown out. When I first became a Christian at age 14, I realized what a difference it made in my life and in everything. I said to my pastor, “I don’t know what to do with my faith.” He wisely replied, “You have to give it away.” Part of a “curriculum” needs to include sharing God’s love in word and deed with the support of Christian community, and being in places where the gospel is not taken for granted. This can be done honestly in the midst of doubt.

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By: Jonathan King https://mikefrost.net/if-you-dont-like-deconstruction-dont-teach-people-to-fall-in-love-with-jesus-in-the-first-place/#comment-41169 Thu, 23 Jun 2022 18:07:06 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=32037#comment-41169 “Grown up faith is difficult. We need all the help we can get.” I’ll second that one, mate.

I’ve read and listened to quite a few folks discuss deconstruction over the past couple years, but your thoughts here are original and very helpful, Mike. Honestly, quite timely for me and my own journey with Jesus and my marriage.

I really like some of your wondering queries at the end. Yes, what if we pursued a discipleship frame that focused on resiliency rather than emotivism? One that also recognizes the whole brain and whole person (heart, soul, mind, strength) and not just emotional experience or rational agreement to doctrinal statements?

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By: McNitz https://mikefrost.net/if-you-dont-like-deconstruction-dont-teach-people-to-fall-in-love-with-jesus-in-the-first-place/#comment-40028 Wed, 04 May 2022 17:54:16 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=32037#comment-40028 In reply to Marcus.

Thanks for this, I’m in the sand boat, and it definitely seems for Christians nothing can ever be a good reason to deconstruct your faith. If your belief was emotionally damaging and preventing you from growing as a person then you left because your faith wasn’t built in good reasons, or you didn’t trust enough. If you left because you looked at the facts and evaluated your epistemology then you left because you didn’t leave enough on your faith and trust God. If you left because you found faith and hope in another religion then you left because you were led astray by the evil alternatives of the world that promise a false hope.

I get why this happens, it is one of the many ways the Christian faith is set up to be unfalsifiable, and if they admitted people can leave for good reasons that might imply THEY could leave too, and generally Christians don’t want to face that thought. That’s just another problem with how Christianity is structured and taught though, in my opinion.

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By: Timothy Koller https://mikefrost.net/if-you-dont-like-deconstruction-dont-teach-people-to-fall-in-love-with-jesus-in-the-first-place/#comment-40019 Wed, 04 May 2022 11:58:12 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=32037#comment-40019 In reply to Rohan.

Yes, this. Definitions matter, and this post does a good job dismantling the inaccurate use of the word love. The popular evangelical conception of love is problematic, so the solution is to teach love properly. An excellent resource, though academic, is Faithful Feelings by Matthew Eliot. Imho, when we have an appropriate view of emotion, we can also accurately understand love, and teach love in ways that do not fall into the trap this post has highlighted.
Thanks for a stimulating original post and a very thoughtful follow-up comment.

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By: Marcus https://mikefrost.net/if-you-dont-like-deconstruction-dont-teach-people-to-fall-in-love-with-jesus-in-the-first-place/#comment-40013 Wed, 04 May 2022 01:13:01 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=32037#comment-40013 In reply to Michael Frost.

I don’t agree with your assessment when you propose that deconstruction of the Christian faith is equivalent to the “falling out of love phase” of a romantic partner.

I had a period where I was madly in love with Jesus and devoted to Him.

Then I fell out of love with Jesus, but still loved Him and wanted to obey Him for many years.

Recently, I deconstructed, and it IS very different. Literally, I am unconvinced that I have every truly heard from God, or that He even exists at all.

I am unable to bring myself to love Jesus, as I don’t even perceive Him as being any more than a historical figure turned to legend at best.

It is possible that I may never be a Christian again, until at least there is first presented adequate evidence.

It is unhelpful to over simplify and rationalize the notion of deconstruction simply to put other church goers minds at ease.

Mark my words… deconstruction can and often does mean the complete abandonment of faith. It’s best to be honest about that.

Thanks for listening.

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By: Paul C Mackintosh https://mikefrost.net/if-you-dont-like-deconstruction-dont-teach-people-to-fall-in-love-with-jesus-in-the-first-place/#comment-39968 Sun, 01 May 2022 21:26:42 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=32037#comment-39968 We are commanded to love the Lord with all our heart and strength and mind. Usually most of us do better in one or two of those but not all. We can learn from those who love God in ways which are less of a strength for us. Usually however, we band together with those who love God in ways which we find comfortable. LORD HELP ME LOVE YOU IN NEW WAYS AND OLD.

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By: Ada https://mikefrost.net/if-you-dont-like-deconstruction-dont-teach-people-to-fall-in-love-with-jesus-in-the-first-place/#comment-39958 Sun, 01 May 2022 17:28:26 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=32037#comment-39958 In reply to Al Henderson.

“By their fruit you shall know them.”
Those “Men of God” you mention are, so far as we can tell in our limited understanding, *not* men of God.
They are & were, mostly likely, wolves in sheep’s clothing. And sheep have protected & defended them.
Sheep are not smart, this is why we need a Shepherd.
About heaven & hell, you might like The Great Divorce by: C.S. Lewis.
Also sermons by George MacDonald, who influenced him.
There’s a wonderful post on Tor com, titled Choosing Hell: C.S. Lewis, The Great Divorce, and Human Freedom

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By: Ada https://mikefrost.net/if-you-dont-like-deconstruction-dont-teach-people-to-fall-in-love-with-jesus-in-the-first-place/#comment-39957 Sun, 01 May 2022 17:12:35 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=32037#comment-39957 In reply to Kent Kingston.

I think part of the problem, as Mike points out, is in many Christian circles, there is less focus on good theology, on thinking about and examining the deep logic of God, & focusing instead on feeling & emotion.
People simply aren’t being taught how to think & examine their basic assumptions & if they make sense. Books like Mere Christianity, Orthadoxy by G.K. Chesterton, & She Who Is by Elizabeth Johnson have taught me otherwise.
God is logical. Without God, nothing is logical.

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By: Ada https://mikefrost.net/if-you-dont-like-deconstruction-dont-teach-people-to-fall-in-love-with-jesus-in-the-first-place/#comment-39955 Sun, 01 May 2022 17:04:43 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=32037#comment-39955 In reply to Ada.

Love does change. Is what I meant to say.

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By: Ada https://mikefrost.net/if-you-dont-like-deconstruction-dont-teach-people-to-fall-in-love-with-jesus-in-the-first-place/#comment-39954 Sun, 01 May 2022 17:03:00 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=32037#comment-39954 In reply to Rohan.

John Donne’s poetry is also good & a lot like Songs of Solomon.

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