Comments on: If Your Church is Honestly Mediocre offering sharper ecclesial infotainment won’t turn it around https://mikefrost.net/if-your-church-is-honestly-mediocre-offering-sharper-ecclesial-infotainment-wont-turn-it-around/ AUTHOR | SPEAKER | MISSIOLOGIST | AGITATOR Fri, 26 Feb 2021 00:24:38 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.4 By: Volker https://mikefrost.net/if-your-church-is-honestly-mediocre-offering-sharper-ecclesial-infotainment-wont-turn-it-around/#comment-6795 Thu, 30 Aug 2018 05:21:53 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=28132#comment-6795 Well. May sound cynical from this perspective: it’s CAN $ 247 per online course he offers… 200 bookings.

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By: Michael Frost https://mikefrost.net/if-your-church-is-honestly-mediocre-offering-sharper-ecclesial-infotainment-wont-turn-it-around/#comment-6750 Thu, 23 Aug 2018 05:06:23 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=28132#comment-6750 In reply to Janis Vitolins.

Didn’t “beat up” on him. Disagreed with him. It’s entirely possible for there to be disagreement without disunity. In fact, if Christian unity can only be maintained at the expense of people holding divergent views it’s a cult not the beautiful new way of being human that Jesus taught us.

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By: Janis Vitolins https://mikefrost.net/if-your-church-is-honestly-mediocre-offering-sharper-ecclesial-infotainment-wont-turn-it-around/#comment-6747 Wed, 22 Aug 2018 21:40:26 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=28132#comment-6747 It doesn’t seem necessary to beat up on Pastor Nieuwhof and his ideas. His thoughts regarding the band, IT and website were useful as are your thoughts about what makes a church work for lost souls. Instead of denigrating his article, perhaps it would be beneficial to God’s Church here on Earth to find common ground. The Gospel of John, chapter 17 addresses this issue.

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By: Jim Amy https://mikefrost.net/if-your-church-is-honestly-mediocre-offering-sharper-ecclesial-infotainment-wont-turn-it-around/#comment-6739 Tue, 21 Aug 2018 04:21:28 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=28132#comment-6739 In reply to Jenna.

Thank you Jenna. I would like to think you are describing my Church family; small, aging, somewhat traditional, but trying to love the Lord and one another and our community with the gifts and talents God has given us. Not big on programs (can’t be); but committed to prayer, to loving the world, and to walking together in God’s love! We don’t just appreciate our seniors, we honor them and pray that God will send us more. They bring wisdom, experience, inspiration and stability. We are not convinced that the future of the Church is the youth but the remnant of God’s faithful, both old and young! We are behind in our adoption of technology for sure, but some of that is intentional. Our mission is deeply relational, and technology can easily deflect, distract and deceive. The gospel has power to transform lives when the means serves the end!
I wouldn’t trade my Church for any of the new and more modern facilities recently erected in our community. But I guess that’s the way it should be, right?

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By: John https://mikefrost.net/if-your-church-is-honestly-mediocre-offering-sharper-ecclesial-infotainment-wont-turn-it-around/#comment-6736 Tue, 21 Aug 2018 01:47:33 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=28132#comment-6736 Refreshing read.
I want to share this with some fellow church leaders and discuss.

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By: Jack Wolfe https://mikefrost.net/if-your-church-is-honestly-mediocre-offering-sharper-ecclesial-infotainment-wont-turn-it-around/#comment-6735 Tue, 21 Aug 2018 00:20:09 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=28132#comment-6735 I loved this! Well done! I have been on board ever since I read Shaping of things to come that you and Alan wrote when it first came out. I was pastoring a large church at the time and had begun to feel from the Lord that I was not to continue down that path. I had not read anyone at that time and decide to go to a counselor to figure out what the Lord was saying. I then bumped into “Shaping” it confirmed to many things, and I consider it timeless. While I no longer pastor I have fully embraced my apostolic calling to see as many “Bilbos” get out of the Shire live!

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By: Michael Frost https://mikefrost.net/if-your-church-is-honestly-mediocre-offering-sharper-ecclesial-infotainment-wont-turn-it-around/#comment-6734 Tue, 21 Aug 2018 00:17:56 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=28132#comment-6734 In reply to David Mark.

Some of the most missional people I know are over 70.

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By: David Mark https://mikefrost.net/if-your-church-is-honestly-mediocre-offering-sharper-ecclesial-infotainment-wont-turn-it-around/#comment-6733 Mon, 20 Aug 2018 22:58:03 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=28132#comment-6733 In reply to bobby gilbert.

Bobby Gilbert, you do make an important observation. Sometimes “missional” seems to be translated as meaning “young,” “activist,” “entrepreneurial” and the like.
I am over 70 and no longer have the health, stamina or energy for many things, but I can and do pray. I can and do live together, as I am able, with my neighbors and quite a bit more.
The Kingdom of God is not limited to millenials. We over 70 folks know a thing or two about endurance, the humility that all we have done was just for the time of our being and that what is yet to come is fully out our hands.
It might be a useful perspective for those at earlier stages of the journey.

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By: bobby gilbert https://mikefrost.net/if-your-church-is-honestly-mediocre-offering-sharper-ecclesial-infotainment-wont-turn-it-around/#comment-6729 Mon, 20 Aug 2018 15:41:57 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=28132#comment-6729 my church is catholic. i am the sacristan. most of the people are over 70. pray they all die?

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By: Bill Faris https://mikefrost.net/if-your-church-is-honestly-mediocre-offering-sharper-ecclesial-infotainment-wont-turn-it-around/#comment-6728 Mon, 20 Aug 2018 15:32:48 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=28132#comment-6728 Why don’t seminaries and Bible schools offer up-and-coming church leaders classes like: “Stagecraft and Production Values”, “How to Wow ‘Em With Lighting and Sound”, “The Art of the Twenty-Minute “Message”, and “Filling Their Tanks Week After Week”? That’s what too many of our aspiring church leaders find out really matters in today’s church culture. Instead, they muddle along trying to learn on the fly by copying “successful” congregations and integrating the latest marketing insights. Somebody needs to prep pastors and missionaries for the “real” world they are going to encounter!

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