Comments on: Our male privilege is revealed by the things we DON’T think about https://mikefrost.net/our-male-privilege-is-revealed-by-the-things-we-dont-think-about/ AUTHOR | SPEAKER | MISSIOLOGIST | AGITATOR Wed, 11 Aug 2021 15:01:37 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.8.1 By: Dawid XCX https://mikefrost.net/our-male-privilege-is-revealed-by-the-things-we-dont-think-about/#comment-30804 Wed, 11 Aug 2021 15:01:37 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=28675#comment-30804 This is probably the dumbest thing I’ve ever read in my whole life

Such a simplistic take that ignores a ton of nuance lmfao, like the fact that assumption of competence depends on gender norms

Touch grass

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By: Jack Wolfe https://mikefrost.net/our-male-privilege-is-revealed-by-the-things-we-dont-think-about/#comment-9594 Wed, 10 Apr 2019 12:42:42 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=28675#comment-9594 I did appreciate this very much! I remember when I first started our church, I pastored back in 1988 In a prayer meeting and one of the women asked me “why I always called on men to pray” I told her I did not know; and asked her to pray. I realized the culture I grew up in modeled this to me and never really thought about it. When we formed the leadership team, we decided way back in 1988 that the leadership team would consist of couples. We never in the over 25 years of that church ever had a leadership meeting where women were not present and valued in those meetings.

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By: Cathy Ross https://mikefrost.net/our-male-privilege-is-revealed-by-the-things-we-dont-think-about/#comment-9586 Tue, 09 Apr 2019 10:16:27 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=28675#comment-9586 In reply to Dan.

Read Grayson Perry The Descent of Man – it is all about white male privilege or default man as he calls him. Obvious to women but seemingly less obvious to men…

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By: David Berlach https://mikefrost.net/our-male-privilege-is-revealed-by-the-things-we-dont-think-about/#comment-9584 Tue, 09 Apr 2019 06:03:38 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=28675#comment-9584 Mike,

Great post as always! Privilege is an insidious thing…

Interesting anecdote; my wife & I were in Paris a week ago and stopped in to have lunch at the Grand Mosque on the LEft Bank… in the front garden is a great little restaurant with beautiful tagines and sweet mint tea if you’re ever there.
One thing we both noticed though was that every woman working in the place was wearing a t-shirt emblazoned with “The Future is Female” … that’s not the message you get if you read the typical western media… maybe progressive Islam is ahead of us on this? Or maybe it was just that little enclave in Paris?

Either way, I pray that I can help my daughters to grow up knowing that they never need to fold themselves into any shape to suit anyone but Jesus. My guess is that, being a man, my wife will need to help me significantly with this!

Thanks for making us think.

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By: James https://mikefrost.net/our-male-privilege-is-revealed-by-the-things-we-dont-think-about/#comment-9583 Tue, 09 Apr 2019 04:08:42 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=28675#comment-9583 In reply to Michael Frost.

No question that women are learning to do that now. But men have at least 100 or so year head start in the modern era. I was addressing the culture of competitive men and the idea that a young man’s sport filled life comes to a skreeching halt at end of high school or college. But competitive men can’t turn that off and move on. They find that their job is the new sports field and the they play that field for all their worth. They achieve, they make it happen, they play the hardest and sacrifice the most by far ( relationships, hard calls, marriages, children) because they are determined beyond all comfort levels. To win. They run all others over, and they look for others like themselves to surround themselves with —- which the great majority of the time is men not women. That, I believe leads to the lopsided privledge we see today and it’s been left unchecked to multiply for 100-200 years. I don’t think honk it’s the only reason, but Ive become very suspect at the value of sports on boys and young men. I played football, basketball and track & field. I excelled in all three. But starting my own business at 18 and forgoing college for 8 years I began to see patterns and it bothered me. That was 37 years ago. I see it much better and it doesn’t hide itself so smartly as it use to. Just my experience here. It’s nothing I’ve read anywhere.

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By: Michael Frost https://mikefrost.net/our-male-privilege-is-revealed-by-the-things-we-dont-think-about/#comment-9580 Tue, 09 Apr 2019 03:33:21 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=28675#comment-9580 In reply to James.

Not sure. I haven’t read any research about that. Male privilege runs deeper and broader than simply the idea of doing your best and being competitive. It refers to an examination of the social, economic, and political advantages or rights that are available to men solely on the basis of their sex. A man’s access to these benefits may vary depending on how closely they match their society’s ideal masculine norm, which has some bearing on the teaching/coaching they receive about being the best. That said, women’s sports do the same thing, don’t they?

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By: James https://mikefrost.net/our-male-privilege-is-revealed-by-the-things-we-dont-think-about/#comment-9579 Tue, 09 Apr 2019 03:17:28 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=28675#comment-9579 To both Mike and the Commentors, Do you think there is a connection between Man’s privilege and man’s long history to sports and the culture of being your best and what coaches teach kids from Pre-school thru college? My opinion is that there is a strong connection and I think that means we have a competitive sports problem with men. But nobody wants to talk about it. Competitive men run women over knowingly and unknowingly.

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By: Dan https://mikefrost.net/our-male-privilege-is-revealed-by-the-things-we-dont-think-about/#comment-9578 Tue, 09 Apr 2019 03:07:32 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=28675#comment-9578 It’s great to hear these voices, but I certainly have always assumed this is how most *people* experience life. Maybe my circle have been exposed to a higher degree of domineering bosses/“leaders” (who for me were mostly men), but myself and most men I know have been in this situation. It is quite likely that male colleagues have felt it less than the female voices we are hearing now (and above), but I have always seen it as a human problem at it’s core.

No matter the percentage split, loss of dignity through loss of voice is destructive and diminishes courage in the very people we need to be free to fulfill their calling.

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By: Lauren https://mikefrost.net/our-male-privilege-is-revealed-by-the-things-we-dont-think-about/#comment-9577 Tue, 09 Apr 2019 02:17:00 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=28675#comment-9577 In reply to Alan Hirsch.

Your heart and perspective on this has been salve to my soul, Alan. Both you and Micheal have been a source of healing in this area for me. Thank you. Truly.

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By: Michael Frost https://mikefrost.net/our-male-privilege-is-revealed-by-the-things-we-dont-think-about/#comment-9576 Tue, 09 Apr 2019 01:49:25 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=28675#comment-9576 In reply to Jay Mumper.

Than you for your sensitivity, brother. Looking forward to visiting Ohio. See you then.

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