Comments on: Repulsed or Nonplussed: the problem with the No campaign https://mikefrost.net/repulsed-nonplussed-problem-no-campaign/ AUTHOR | SPEAKER | MISSIOLOGIST | AGITATOR Thu, 05 Oct 2017 03:54:34 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.4 By: Casey Edwards https://mikefrost.net/repulsed-nonplussed-problem-no-campaign/#comment-2780 Thu, 28 Sep 2017 01:20:50 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=27162#comment-2780 In reply to Josh Wengi.

sorry forgot to add the http thing to make it a link. 🙂

http://speakupaustralia.com

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By: Casey Edwards https://mikefrost.net/repulsed-nonplussed-problem-no-campaign/#comment-2779 Thu, 28 Sep 2017 01:18:50 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=27162#comment-2779 In reply to Josh Wengi.

@Josh, if you really do want an answer to your question (many just ask questions without wanting the answer) then the article below would have to be one of the most detailed and well referenced articles I’ve seen. It joins the dots well by addressing common misnomers and references problems in other countries who have already made the change. Hope it helps you understand better. speakupaustralia.com

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By: Mark Young https://mikefrost.net/repulsed-nonplussed-problem-no-campaign/#comment-2516 Sun, 10 Sep 2017 13:15:30 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=27162#comment-2516 In reply to James.

Well I lived the majority of my life in an indigenous culture other than my own (ie in what was traditionally called a third world society) and there was no evidence of “SSM” or the campaigning for it. In fact the overwhelming number of cultures and people groups accross the globe even with little or no Biblical teachings on the institution of marriage practise the traditional biblical view in terms of a heterosexual relationship. Sincerely.

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By: Nathaniel Frank https://mikefrost.net/repulsed-nonplussed-problem-no-campaign/#comment-2309 Wed, 23 Aug 2017 13:34:14 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=27162#comment-2309 In reply to Steven Nicholson.

As I reference in my published letter, nearly 80 peer-reviewed studies on this matter are all aggregated at our site, showing an overwhelming consensus that children with gay or lesbian parents fare no worse than their peers. See: http://whatweknow.law.columbia.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-wellbeing-of-children-with-gay-or-lesbian-parents/

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By: Michael Frost https://mikefrost.net/repulsed-nonplussed-problem-no-campaign/#comment-2301 Wed, 23 Aug 2017 06:22:42 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=27162#comment-2301 In reply to James.

Manipulative and insincere indeed.

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By: James https://mikefrost.net/repulsed-nonplussed-problem-no-campaign/#comment-2300 Tue, 22 Aug 2017 23:16:03 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=27162#comment-2300 Another argument against SSM from christians I’ve noticed appearing in social media is an attempt to “out PC the left” by appealing to the sacred nature of marriage within indigenous culture. Manipulative and insincere.

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By: Mal Buchanan https://mikefrost.net/repulsed-nonplussed-problem-no-campaign/#comment-2297 Tue, 22 Aug 2017 20:02:22 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=27162#comment-2297 I’ve not meet too many children raised in same sex relationships let alone same sex marriages but I’m sure some have ended up with various levels of issues due to their upbringing.
I have however meet many children raised in a traditional marriage / family relationship that are completely messed.up with all the issues and more that are raised by opponents to SSM.
Even sadder is that many of these children have been raised in christian homes and environments.
The traditional idea of marriage doesn’t guarantee great parenting skills. Neither will SSM guarantee poor parenting skills.
As a kiwi I can’t vote in the Aussie plebiscite but I do know the sky hasn’t fallen in over NZ since SSM was passed there.

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By: Steven Nicholson https://mikefrost.net/repulsed-nonplussed-problem-no-campaign/#comment-2294 Tue, 22 Aug 2017 11:36:43 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=27162#comment-2294 I find the poster appalling and somewhat bizarre in that it effectively gives a footnote to the quote.
That is sort of out of sync with the purile and emotive imagery and offensive language.

You state that “The poster cites a study that has been thoroughly discredited.” I have spent a little while googling and while I see this remark repeated the most detailed response was in a letter published in the journal that originally published the article. Some have ridiculed the journal it was published in but at least it published a letter arguing against the article and the author’s response to that criticism. There may be literature out there which those with access to University databases will be able to find. I would appreciate if responses in reputable industry journals could be referenced to evidence that statement. Even better if there is a study with a bigger sample which has come to findings which contradict those in this study – then that would be worth knowing about. While the article is in sociology jargon I can see some weaknesses in it but that seems to be the case in most studies I read.

What is not cited is the fact that while the finding may be used by anti-SSM groups the author sees the results as important because:

“the most useful response is to try to understand the problem better, so as to address the conditions or provide support necessary to ameliorate the problem, not deny the evidence.”
Nathaniel Frank, “Comment on “Invisible Victims: Delayed Onset Depression among Adults with Same-Sex Parents”,” Depression Research and Treatment, vol. 2016, Article ID 3185067, 2 pages, 2016. doi:10.1155/2016/3185067

I can only imagine that the author would be appalled at the use that has been made of his findings. If there is a problem that seems to have been lost in the politics surrounding the findings.

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By: Josh Wengi https://mikefrost.net/repulsed-nonplussed-problem-no-campaign/#comment-2291 Tue, 22 Aug 2017 08:19:32 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=27162#comment-2291 Well written. Thank you Michael.

I’ve not fully understood the Christian’s ‘No’ to SSM. While, I understand the various nuances to the debate and how it overlaps with other concerns, such as ‘safe schools’ and whatever else may ensue if SSM is legalised. What I do not understand is the Christian’s desired outcome of imposing a biblical expression of marriage on those who do not hold to their faith or conviction, or personally know Jesus. It seems like an exercise in futility and I wonder how detrimental our ‘No’ to others might be in the grander scheme of what God desires to do in the lives of our not yet Christian neighbours. The fear and disgust spouted by many Christians perplexes me. I’m not advocating that Christians vote ‘Yes’, rather that we consider the wider impact of our ‘No’ and particularly the way we express that ‘No’. Sadly, many Christian’s ‘No’ seems akin to going down to the local pub and yelling at people “Stop getting drunk! The bible says so!” – what do we possibly expect to achieve?

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