Comments on: Why you shouldn’t use Romans 13 to quell political dissent https://mikefrost.net/shouldnt-use-romans-13-quell-political-dissent/ AUTHOR | SPEAKER | MISSIOLOGIST | AGITATOR Tue, 01 Feb 2022 00:51:35 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.4 By: Martin Reed https://mikefrost.net/shouldnt-use-romans-13-quell-political-dissent/#comment-37648 Tue, 01 Feb 2022 00:51:35 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=26371#comment-37648 In reply to Leila.

All scripture is God inspired and is as applicable today as when it was written I fully agree .Context is important though .

When I studied as a kid we looked at the so called “ divine right of Kings “ in English history and Romans 13 was clearly used by tyrant kings to justify their behaviour good or bad . Often bad and with lethal consequences.

Obviously they cherry picked the scriptures they liked and applied it completely out of context .

The Devine right of kings in England was destroyed if my memory serves me right by Bible believing Christians called puritans, through brutal conflict and many lives were lost in the process and we arrived at parliamentary democracy .

Democracy is far from perfect and does present a slightly different angle and context to Romans 13 as we are actually responsible for voting in our government. We have to be vigilant as the electorate including Christians to ensure that these elected Public servants stick to the same laws that govern us without over reach political power grabs and hypocrisy.

Surely the Church is able to , within a democracy and completely within the permissible Governing Law to voice concern and protest in opposition to legislation that violates Gods law ,statutes and injustice on the poor and marginalised without breaching Romans 13 ? Respectfully and peacefully of course .

I would go as far as to say if we don’t speak out and act where we see evil , injustice or harm , whilst living in a democracy , we become as my unbelieving brother calls it,
Armchair Christians…

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By: Concerned Former Christian https://mikefrost.net/shouldnt-use-romans-13-quell-political-dissent/#comment-24206 Sat, 10 Apr 2021 15:14:29 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=26371#comment-24206 In reply to Stephan Winter.

I find it curious feel the need to justify everything that’s in the Bible, even when it clearly goes against their deeply held convictions. Why not just accept that this was Paul’s view and your interaction with your God should be direct, not intermediated by priests or religious fanatics or the Bible, which after all, is a compilation by a committee ! If you read what Paul has written, I don’t see how you can say that does not mean that Hitler or Mugabe was appointed by God.

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By: Leila https://mikefrost.net/shouldnt-use-romans-13-quell-political-dissent/#comment-14197 Sat, 28 Mar 2020 16:59:55 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=26371#comment-14197 In reply to Luke.

I think as Christians we have an obligation to stand for the truth, and in the US one of the ways we can do that is to vote for laws that align with God’s word. That being said the implication that Romans 13 doesn’t apply to us because it was written to the church in Rome is a dangerous way to look at scripture. Paul wrote the Corinthian letters to the church in Corinth, all his letters were written to specifically to churches in Asia so do none of those apply?
All authority comes from God. That is what Romans 13 says. Regardless of our right to vote authority comes from Him. We need to respect that. That doesn’t mean we go along with things that are immoral or against scripture. But it does mean we should speak about people in authority in a respectful way whether we agree with them or not. You absolutely can tell someone they are wrong and still be respectful.
And remember Romans 12:8 says so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with ALL men.
Our goal should not be starting fights. Just standing firmly for the truth.

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By: Sessions says the Bible justifies separating immigrant families. The verses he cited are infamous. | Africannewsdigest https://mikefrost.net/shouldnt-use-romans-13-quell-political-dissent/#comment-6178 Sat, 23 Jun 2018 15:56:24 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=26371#comment-6178 […] scholar Mike Frost wrote in 2016 that Romans 13 should not be used to quell dissent because it comes from a period when Christians […]

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By: Part I: Romans 13:1 and Liberal Theology « Barack Obama « Democrat « The Pink Flamingo https://mikefrost.net/shouldnt-use-romans-13-quell-political-dissent/#comment-6155 Thu, 21 Jun 2018 10:34:19 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=26371#comment-6155 […] Why you shouldn’t use Romans 13 to quell political dissent […]

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By: Sessions says the Bible justifies separating immigrant families. The verses he cited are infamous. | March for America | MFA News https://mikefrost.net/shouldnt-use-romans-13-quell-political-dissent/#comment-6110 Fri, 15 Jun 2018 15:46:51 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=26371#comment-6110 […] scholar Mike Frost wrote in 2016 that Romans 13 should not be used to quell dissent because it comes from a period when […]

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By: Sessions says the Bible justifies separating immigrant families. The verses he cited are infamous. | Elmira https://mikefrost.net/shouldnt-use-romans-13-quell-political-dissent/#comment-6109 Fri, 15 Jun 2018 13:01:48 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=26371#comment-6109 […] scholar Mike Frost wrote in 2016 that Romans 13 should not be used to quell dissent because it comes from a period when Christians […]

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By: Sessions says the Bible justifies separating immigrant families. The verses he cited are infamous. https://mikefrost.net/shouldnt-use-romans-13-quell-political-dissent/#comment-6107 Fri, 15 Jun 2018 11:02:51 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=26371#comment-6107 […] scholar Mike Frost wrote in 2016 that Romans 13 should not be used to quell dissent because it comes from a period when […]

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By: Traci Smith https://mikefrost.net/shouldnt-use-romans-13-quell-political-dissent/#comment-6105 Thu, 14 Jun 2018 23:09:29 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=26371#comment-6105 Thank you for this good word. Please note how Romans 13 was used here to defend a morally abhorrent policy:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/sessions-cites-bible-defense-breaking-families-blames-migrant-parents-n883296

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By: Mike Frost https://mikefrost.net/shouldnt-use-romans-13-quell-political-dissent/#comment-354 Wed, 04 Jan 2017 10:24:37 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=26371#comment-354 In reply to James.

It’s permissible to engage in civil disobedience as long as you’re willing to submit to the legal process. I have been arrested for refusing to vacate our Prime Minister’s office while a number of us were praying for asylum seekers being victimized by our government. I disobeyed the directive to move, but submitted when arrested and went along without violence. Look up the phrase Non Violent Direct Action for more information. And thanks for visiting.

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