Comments on: Wonder Woman isn’t the only female hero on film this year https://mikefrost.net/wonder-woman-isnt-female-hero-film-year/ AUTHOR | SPEAKER | MISSIOLOGIST | AGITATOR Thu, 05 Oct 2017 03:54:35 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.4.4 By: Michael Frost https://mikefrost.net/wonder-woman-isnt-female-hero-film-year/#comment-1507 Thu, 15 Jun 2017 23:01:44 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=27033#comment-1507 In reply to Ben.

Lemme get this straight: I’m an alpha male of Christendom with tunnel vision, but without an imagination, who maligns the few because I think I own the cultural centre, all because I don’t enjoy Marvel/DC movies?? Right? You do know how ridiculous that sounds, don’t you?

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By: Michael Frost https://mikefrost.net/wonder-woman-isnt-female-hero-film-year/#comment-1506 Thu, 15 Jun 2017 22:57:49 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=27033#comment-1506 In reply to Analy Alfonso.

I think you also failed to understand that this article is about the other wonderful female-led dramas currently showing.

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By: Analy Alfonso https://mikefrost.net/wonder-woman-isnt-female-hero-film-year/#comment-1504 Thu, 15 Jun 2017 10:59:40 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=27033#comment-1504 In reply to Michael Frost.

Mike Frost, it’s a pity to see an intelligent conversation start with ‘I haven’t seen it and I’m not going to’. Never a good idea to open a debate or discussion with so little knowledge about the subject you are going to run down. Go take a look at it. Then talk. It’s a better perspective I think.

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By: Ben https://mikefrost.net/wonder-woman-isnt-female-hero-film-year/#comment-1503 Thu, 15 Jun 2017 10:38:40 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=27033#comment-1503 Mike you once again show your tunnel vision when it comes to comic book movies. Unfortunately you are not alone in this attitude among the alpha males of Christendom. Maybe it is because stories of pure imagination frighten those with out one. Maybe it is because what was once relegated to quiet enjoyment of the nerdy and maligned few has become, at least for the moment. main stream and that is seen as a threat to those think they own the cultural centre. You may say “but I’m just pointing out these other worthy stories” but what you mean is “I reject the right if your story to have centre stage”.

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By: Michael Frost https://mikefrost.net/wonder-woman-isnt-female-hero-film-year/#comment-1501 Thu, 15 Jun 2017 06:32:46 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=27033#comment-1501 In reply to Gwyn.

I think you failed to understand that this article is about the other wonderful female-led dramas currently showing.

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By: Gwyn https://mikefrost.net/wonder-woman-isnt-female-hero-film-year/#comment-1491 Wed, 14 Jun 2017 11:28:06 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=27033#comment-1491 Michael Frost. Go. See. Wonder. Woman. and. then… you may have just a little more authority to write a post with her name in the title!

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By: Michael Frost https://mikefrost.net/wonder-woman-isnt-female-hero-film-year/#comment-1489 Wed, 14 Jun 2017 04:38:48 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=27033#comment-1489 In reply to Natalie.

I. did. not. tell. anyone. to. ignore. Wonder. Woman.

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By: Natalie https://mikefrost.net/wonder-woman-isnt-female-hero-film-year/#comment-1488 Wed, 14 Jun 2017 03:59:00 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=27033#comment-1488 In reply to Michael Frost.

The acclaimed science fiction writer Ursula Le Guin wrote a beautiful reflection on the value of sci-fi and fantasy precisely because it enables us to examine the human condition in ways that realistic fiction does not (it’s the introduction to A Fisherman of the Inland Sea). She writes:

“I don’t accept the judgment that in using images and metaphors of other worlds, space travel, the future, imagined technologies, societies or beings, science fiction escapes from having human relevance to our lives. Those images and metaphors used by a serious writer are images and metaphors of our lives, legitimately novelistic, symbolic ways of saying what cannot otherwise be said about us, our being and choices, here and now. What science fiction does is enlarge the here and now”

The best Superhero movies do this, too, I think.

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By: Natalie https://mikefrost.net/wonder-woman-isnt-female-hero-film-year/#comment-1487 Wed, 14 Jun 2017 03:56:27 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=27033#comment-1487 In reply to Michael Frost.

Ok. So I’ve gone looking for some stats. These are the most detailed I’ve found (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/intl/australia/?currency=local&yr=2017&p=.htm). Let me know if you’re referencing others. What they show is that there was a 25% increase in the weekend box office takings on Wonder Woman’s first week over the previous week. While Wonder Woman is doing well, it only took $AU6.8mill on its opening weekend. That’s less than Guardians of the Galaxy 2 a few weeks earlier, which took $AU15.7 million or The Fate of the Furious which took in $AU12.7 million a few weeks before that. Beauty and the Beast was released a few weeks earlier and took $AU13.1 on it’s opening weekend and is, so far, the biggest grossing film of the year (http://www.boxofficemojo.com/intl/australia/yearly/).

I truly believe there is an interesting story to tell about heroines in film, and where we look for them. I think telling women to ignore Wonder Woman is misguided.

In making the argument that attendance at Wonder Woman is going to prevent Hollywood from making nuanced dramas about complex female characters, I think we’d need to see figures on the expected takings against actual takings for the three movies you reference and I can’t find that data anywhere. My Friend Rachel was only released on June 8 and there’s no box office data available yet.

Your argument also seems to suggest that it’s a zero-sum game; we can only have a certain number of movies about women, and that if we watch the action blockbuster, we won’t get the complex dramas. I think that’s contestable. If Wonder Woman had tanked, I think it would have put female-directed and female-led movies back far more than its success will do. Just because there are lots of male superheroes doesn’t mean there’s a dearth of complex male character dramas. It doesn’t have to be either or.

I’d love it if lots of women got to go and see all these movies. They sound great.

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By: Tony https://mikefrost.net/wonder-woman-isnt-female-hero-film-year/#comment-1486 Wed, 14 Jun 2017 03:38:50 +0000 https://mikefrost.net/?p=27033#comment-1486 I was very impressed with Wonder Woman and its politics – not just because of its female lead. It does a lot of things right. Its not flawless but it is both very accessible popcorn munching fun and it provokes substantial questions. That’s not easy to pull off.
One small thing that seems to get overlooked is that it includes the most respectfully treated Native American character in any mainstream movie of late. It’s a small role but gives a lot to the story.
I hope you don’t mind me linking to my review here.
http://humblewonderful.blogspot.com.au/2017/06/wonder-woman-political-philosophical.html

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